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The saying goes that"A woman can make or break a man".
When I was my macho self, I thought this statement was rubbish. When God took control of my life, I then realised that I cannot continue doing God's work without my wife.
The role of a woman is so vital in any household. My life and that of our children revolve around her.
As a man of God, I do not attempt anything without her support. Although I am the stronger one, she is the backbone and without it, this big frame of mine cannot stand.
I thank God for the woman He gave to me

Hi there.....

I happened to be on this site and started reading through the many heart-breaking stories but it was yours that stopped me, touching my heart. It sounds like you are exhausted from all the trials and watching your wife suffering. There is much I could share but, for now, I wish to just share this.....

Over 4 years ago, shortly after I had a real bad bike accident, my husband was diagnosed with cancer in his kidney. The doctors wished to operate immediately and begin treatment but we felt this was not right and asked the specialist to give us three months. He agreed and said that if the growth, which was quite large, had not grown further in 3 months he would then extend for another 3 months and so on....if not, he would insist on the operation. My husband works overs-seas and needs a medical clearance to work so we just knew we needed a miracle.

The first thing we felt was fear, we knew this was not from God and so prayed accordingly. Once that lifted we then sat before the Lord in petition. We both felt God would do the Spiritual but we needed to do the physical, but how.  My husband felt he needed to make life-style changes, the way he ate, his sleeping habits, exercise time., etc, so I started doing research. I read christian and worldly books, trusting God to keep my heart pure and give me wisdom. We searched many sites. In fact I continued to 'study' for 2 years as this matter so interested me.

 We kept our heart open before God in prayer, confession, seeking and studying His word. I believe forgiveness plays a huge part in our health. We also found an excellent book written by a christian writer, a doctor, Don Colbert, and immediately started the detox process. Through studies we felt to add certain natural supplements to our diet and change our diet to natural foods. (can give you more on this if you so wish). Within 3 months of prayer, diet change and general life-style change we had both lost excess weight (we are not large people to start with, but had some extra), and were full of zest for life. Tests showed and continued to show through the next 2 years, that the growth had stopped. 2 years later it started to shrink, the doctors were amazed.

My husband continues to be aware of obedience in life-style and more than four years later enjoys life to the fullest and looks younger than ever. I pray that God will give you insight into your unique situation, as all situations and God's people are unique. I do believe God wants all His children to live life to its fullest in Him. I will keep you in my prayers and trust that you will have a 'miracle' story of you own to touch and change the world with soon.

 

Yours in Christ

Dianne

Can you please let me know how to get hold of tickets or how to register for MMC 2009 Mens Camp 8-10 May 2009?

Hi,

Die kamp datums vir 2009 is as volg:

6-8 Feb - Vroue kamp

6-8 Mrt - Manne kamp

8-10 Mei - Vroue en kinder kamp (saam met MMC2009)

5-7 Jun - Parekamp

7-9 Aug - Jeug kamp

11-13 Sept - Vroue kamp

2-4 Okt - Manne kamp

Vir meer inligting kan u my gerus skakel by bogenoemde kontak besonderhede.

 

Elsabe

Goeie more,

Kan u asb vir my datums gee van komende kampe in 2009.

Byvoorbaat dank.

 

Elsie

Johannie,

Daar is inligting op www.depressie.co.za wat dalk vir jou tot hulp kan wees. Ek het die Webblad begin om soos jy dit stel "deel te wees daarvan om mense te help".Ek wil ook nog graag my persoonlike ervarings met depressie op die blad publiseer.

Ek en depressie loop al meer as 20 jaar 'n pad saam en dit het amper die einde van my huwelik veroorsaak.Gelukkig gaan dit nou baie beter.

Enige kommentaar is welkom. - Roelf

I so very much agree with what's written above. Living in Africa, reading what Americans write , including the Christians, one sometimes feel like America thinks anything and everything evolved and revolves around the Americas. Getting prophetic distance must be a hard test for American Christians. I see the Lord awakening also in Africa the urgency to be 'set apart' to have faith that God will work all to the good of His children even in the face of so much hopeless godlessness.

Yes, let us stay close to the Lord, hearing only from Him and trusting only Him for the outcome of the prophesies He births in us. His time is perfect

Elna Skitter

Ek is n depressie lyer vir amper 3 jaar al ...altans dis die tyd waarvan ek daarvan bewus is...as Christen, was dit vir my 'n moeilike en ook 'n herontdek tyd van myself en dan ook dan dat die Here se genade kan seermaak as dit moet... Ek wil graag deel wees daarvan om mense te help, want ek voel dat daar niks oor jou lewenspad kom wat jy net daar moet laat nie...soos vir my is dit n nuwe grondgebied wat ek bygekry het waarop ek moet ploeg, saai en oes...Johannie

Thanks so much Jean for this dynamic and encouraging report. Thanks also for persevering over the years in holding up the hands of workers like me who are shining the gospel light in the trenches - in my case to Muslims. (of whom there are no small number in Durban!) This last year, I have sensed a change of atmosphere in regards to the openness of Durban Muslims to hearing the gospel. Let's keep strengthening our partnership...

Sien ook die finale weergawe van hierdie besondere samekoms van Christen leiers wat voel vir die land: Die Dokument is hier: beskikbaar of laai dit af hier:Final Draft (NIRSA.doc)

Added to the above it was also said by Robert Ricciardelli:
Keep in mind the difference between having a biblical worldview and being a Christian. We have seen Muslims having a biblical worldview of character, integrity, commitment and such. As we hire employees of all races and creeds, make sure that they are willing to work within the VALUES of your biblical worldview. They may not be Christians, but many times we need to train Christians into what this actually means.

Thought we can do with this perspective that address the sons and Mentors. Enjoy

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The hour is desperate!

I hear the younger generation crying out for ‘spiritual fathers', yet, when they're lovingly corrected and biblically rebuked by those very fathers, they write them off as being old-fashioned, traditional, and out of touch with what the Lord is doing in ‘their generation'. Maybe instead of fathers, they really want grandfathers who will simply pat them on the back, offering only grandpa-like encouragement and positive reinforcement.

I hear older men saying that they desire to be ‘spiritual fathers', yet, they're seemingly unwilling to get down in the relational trenches with the very ones that need to be fathered because their ministry schedules are too busy and they have more important things to do. Maybe instead of being spiritual fathers, they really want to be spiritual grandfathers who merely give a thumbs-up when ministry outwardly seems to be going well even though inwardly their grandchild may be withering inside.

Why is it that children enjoy being around their grandparents? Could it be that at grandpa's house, where candy grows on the carpet and dessert is eaten instead of dinner, life is simply easier? Could it be because at grandpa's house, we can do almost whatever we please since grandpa is really not responsible for disciplining us; he merely desires to keep us happy until we return home?

I want to humbly confront both the generation that is crying out for fathers as well as the generation that says they desire to be fathers with this simple challenge: it's time to step up to the plate. It's time that our words become something more than spiritual rhetoric. It's time for spiritual wayward sons to honor their fathers and it's time for spiritual dead-beat fathers to change their ways and assume the role that God intended them to have in their spiritual households.

We're living in a generation that is desperate to see the fulfillment of the Malachi 4 scripture that proclaims, "He will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers; or else I will come and strike the land with a curse." It requires a turning on both parties - fathers turning to their children and children turning to their fathers.

Now more than ever, when biblical standards are being compromised in the name of successful ministries, we need the fathers to lovingly put their arms around their children and guide them into all truth.

Now more than ever, as young people are being commissioned by the Word of the Lord, we need to turn to the fathers, lest our youthful zeal and heavenly calling lead us into dangerous areas of pride and arrogance, eventuating in colossal failure and shame.

I believe we're at a desperate hour and that the Lord desires to seize it for His glory. Fathers, let's commit ourselves, by God's grace, to allowing our hearts to be turned to our children; children, let's commit ourselves, by God's grace, to allowing our hearts to be turned to our fathers. Then and only then will the curse of Malachi 4:6 be avoided.

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by Scott Volk www.fire-school.org

THE MOST POWERFUL and AWESOME WORD heard in some time...that only a TRUE prophet of God could speak!

Bill, thanks for your encouragement and sharing the impressions after your extended trips.

God is so gracious with His children and speak the same thing to many sumiltnously.

Your wave vision is one of the oldest ones and confirm the others reported on the platform over the years. Somehow it capture the essence- and it is revival after we work more together as Christians. (Unity or collaborations is the Pre-condition if I understand it correctly)

Hope we are going to hear more from you since your vision shared now is WAY before the others.. Just a search of wave and vision brings some interesting reults here on the platform:

Here are some that confirmatoins which is nearly 20 years after yours...  but share  more or less the same message:

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Confirming Wave visions for Durban - since 2004

We are receiving more and more confirming wave visions.It can reveal something to the bigger body of Christ, of which ...

 

Vision: New day dawning - 2004 Afrca Day of Prayer

Vision of Durban City intercessor received on 2 May 2004 during worship on the ... Vision: Prayer circle for Toti - May 2005 › Wave Vision (Tsunami in the Spirit) We ask Marianne resident of Durban to share a Wave dream with similar symbolism See her other vision During middle May

Two weeks Into Crusade- "Turning Point"

... Jesus with him.. This was the peak of the “wave”… Jeremiah 30:17-24 : I ... are all at the crusade! Vision from intercessory prayer : She got a picture of a tsunami wave ...

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And the one on Unity and working morer together in the BOC (Body of Christ):

NET vision for Durban - Networking was more passionate after this - Feb 2004

... received this encouraging networking vision  in February 2004 From: Mariet Ray Sent: 28 February 2004 11:15 ... useful network coordinating. I would like to share the vision the Lord has been giving me over a few months. I've unintentionally ... judgement.-But see the fruit in 2006 up Confirming Wave visions for Durban - since 2004 › (Building "Kingdom" vs "Own ...

 

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Dear Daniel!

Since the 1st time a few months ago that i read the Prophecy, i immediately sent it to my Mother in Cape Town.  And prayers started.

I must say that things are already starting to change as the ANC is falling apart!  The people that left the ANC are starting their own "break away" party and I believe this is going to be the change that South Africa needs.

There was a man that was on 5fm radio yesterday morning (not sure on name), that represents the new break away party, and all this man want is equality!  He also mentioned that, that is what he fought for in the apartheid days.  Now the ANC have taken that away from everybody except the black people (no offence)!  That is why so many people have left the country!  

I have a strong feeling that this new man is going to change the face of South Africa through God!

In Jesus Name!

Amen....

Vissie, thanks for this link and it help to understand your point of view of the misuse and of false spiritual fathers, especially if they come between you and God. (This however is not the experience of many men here.)  If you look careful at the original article, then your 3 posts (and the link) refers to the left column of the table, namely the negatives and how it brings division and hurt in the the body of Christ itself.

Let us start building by concentrating on the right collumn of the table in the original article above, namely the positives of mentoring by maturer Christians, e.g. with servant leadership etc.. Even the link you refer to state that there is this other side: See near the end of the link, the quote in purple:

There are elements of truth embedded in the teaching on fatherhood.  For example, there was a special bond that existed between Paul and Timothy, leading Paul to refer to him as a “beloved son”, a title of affection.  And it is true that Timothy imitated Paul’s life and doctrine, for he was an apprentice in the faith.  Paul urged Timothy to “continue in what you have learned and what you have been convinced of, because you know those from whom you have learned it.”  We learn and grow through relationships with more mature believers, but it a fatal error to think that the source of our truth and life is anything other than God Himself. . .  .  . .  .  . .  . . As stated before, exalting a man to a position between the believer and Christ has resulted in spiritual havoc and emotional pain.

It is also  the platform policy to concentrate 90% on the postives in building and working together in the Body of Christ and only 10% on the negatives (where the body kick and fight with other parts of the same body). I believe you have laboured the point of the negatives but how about the positives of mentoring?

How can we learn from older maturer men or even men already in heaven, like John Wesley, Finney.  Yes and don't forget Abraham who is the father of faith?

The original article touches on the Jewish worldview of fatherhood versus our understanding through the New Testament Greek worldview, which of course differ dramatically.

But let us be practical and ask how does a Spiritual mentor looks like in today's world?

Jesus said:
Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

I can sit here give you long explanation, but the link below sums it all up way much better than me!!!

http://www.cyberscripture.com/Father.htm

Vissie thanks for pointing out the misuse of this term.  (or maybe spiritual "mentor" is more relevant term)
In our city there are also many Christians hurt by their "spiritual fathers"when they later find out that the "spiritual father's" motive was unholy and the father was actually a false spiritual father

The worst that I heard was where the spiritual father propagate the idea that you (or a congregations) pay a first fruit (First week's salary/income of the year = 1/52) into the personal account of the "spiritual father". He then stated that he is to nobody accountable of how he spend that money.
Like Rick Warren says one of the biggest diseases in the Church today is the "domination and control" of church leaders. (Applied to our topic here it is the domination and control by false spiritual fathers.

I suppose one can go on and on about the hurt and malpractices of "false" spiritual fathers. It is realtively easy to see what  is NOT a spiritual father , but then the opposite question remains, what does a REAL spiritual father (or spiritual "mentor") looks like that is REALLY called by God to be one?

I really wish that Mega-fest can return to S.A. next year